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h3x

joined Jun 12, 2015

b0undarybreaker

joined Oct 29, 2020

Noriinu

joined Jun 3, 2023

Bielna

joined Nov 7, 2022

I'll get over it by the next chapter, but I fucking hate this one. "The house needs a descendant." "Don't worry, women can have children too." So what ? If that magic didn't exist, if they later decided to adopt, or if Yvonne didn't want to bear children, it would have been justified to force her to marry and sleep with some dude just to fulfill your dumbass noble fantasies ?

Go to hell, asshole dad. You want to spread your family's blood, go spill your own. What kind of family your daughter wants is her choice and her right, not yours to decide, and if you don't agree maybe the world would be better without your name and legacy to stain it.

beeaggro

joined Jun 6, 2020

BV

joined Oct 22, 2018

yeah, what beeaggro said. I don't think the dad is really concerned about getting an heir (and even if he was, there is the alternative of the Gareth (did I remember Evie's brother's name right?) having children too someday), and is merely using it as one of several excuses to remain an overprotective father. However long it might last. And I suspect "not that long" to be the answer, if the events of this chapter are any indication.

For my part, I found this to be a great chapter.

Lillet Noir

joined Apr 20, 2022

blatant_harvester

joined Feb 16, 2013

yeah, what beeaggro said. I don't think the dad is really concerned about getting an heir (and even if he was, there is the alternative of the Gareth (did I remember Evie's brother's name right?) having children too someday), and is merely using it as one of several excuses to remain an overprotective father. However long it might last. And I suspect "not that long" to be the answer, if the events of this chapter are any indication.

For my part, I found this to be a great chapter.

I just can't figure out why it's always about blood. Adoption can maintain the family line too.

PineconeJuice

joined Jan 10, 2022

I mean it's pretty clear it's an excuse. He went from "No boys allowed!" to "What?! A girl! But... But... But we need a boy! So you're out"

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johnb

joined Sep 1, 2017

Ooh, Magic babies ! I wish more fantasy based lesbian stories would use magic this way.

last edited at Nov 24, 2024 1:02PM

luinthoron

joined Dec 20, 2018

Gabinomicon

joined Apr 10, 2023

Narrow Escape

joined Jun 8, 2022

The fixation on bloodlines is often an artifact of the fixation of real aristocracies the world over. And there's a few different reasons for that. One is the old 'divine right of kings'; that some higher power put the royal family in charge to rule, and the descending tiers of nobility to serve them and administrate the lower classes. For adherents to that belief those anointed bloodlines are inherently superior in their roles and to disrupt that status quo is to go against both the natural order and the will of the divine. In our world it's bullshit made up by the people in power to justify retaining their positions, if they were just the scions of a family who happened to end up in charge in the distant past then it'd be no big deal to replace them, after all.

But in a fantasy setting with magic and spirits and possibly actual gods, the whole dynamic can have a bit more weight. Many of these sorts of settings have powers unique to the royal family or high nobility, and these are often in some way essential to the continued existence or prosperity of the lands in question as a way to justify that it actually matters.

But even when it doesn't, really it still goes back to imitating real world trends. Once it is established that there are separate social strata, how do they delineate them? It can't just be whoever has money and privilege at the moment, that's too mercurial. So, since inheritance rights also tie into bloodlines, we get the notion that it is indeed the blood which is what matters: X family descends from Y notable figure of the past, and thus is supposed to be in an elevated position; the children of a duke can lay claim to the lands and offices he held because they are of his blood. Some rando cannot, generally step in and take over without a whole bunch of caveats to make it acceptable.

And once we get into bloodlines being that important, you get families fixating on the 'purity' of that noble blood for its on sake. The traditional means of sealing a permanent alliance between powerful families was to marry, so that afterward you're all family and any children would have rights to both sides. But it's also leaning on nearly universal taboos against killing ones own family to try and reduce the odds of betrayal and murder, to varied success. Half the reason bastards were poorly regarded was the cultural institution of marriage being undercut by the production of children outside of it, but the more relevant side of it was that it muddied the waters on the issue of bloodlines as much of the time the couplings that resulted in them were inter-class.

In summary: bloodlines are viewed as important because they are the sole inflexible factor that the aristocracy can hold up as delineation between themselves and the regular people and are often tied into justifying the power dynamic in the first place. Adoption could happen, but the institution as a whole was leery of it since fiat declaration of noble worth sets precedent that they could be readily replaced, and indeed adversaries would be quick to declare such a child unfit or unworthy to stand among them.

Donkey Kong

joined Jan 3, 2022

Feels a bit weird to rely on magic breeding for kids after spending all that time with the orphans tbh. I personally would rather them have focused on adoption

They easily could do both, or maybe it’ll come out later that neither for whatever reason gave the ability to carry a child? Dunno, I think it was just explaining that it’s possible for two girls to have a kid.

whether they’ll make their own, adopt, or even have kids at all remains to be seen

rainbow8

joined Jan 14, 2020

yeah, what beeaggro said. I don't think the dad is really concerned about getting an heir (and even if he was, there is the alternative of the Gareth (did I remember Evie's brother's name right?) having children too someday), and is merely using it as one of several excuses to remain an overprotective father. However long it might last. And I suspect "not that long" to be the answer, if the events of this chapter are any indication.

For my part, I found this to be a great chapter.

I believe Yvonne is an only child. Garth Leinster is a cousin on her mother's side, according to the novel translation.

RandomGuy

joined Sep 16, 2019

yeah, what beeaggro said. I don't think the dad is really concerned about getting an heir (and even if he was, there is the alternative of the Gareth (did I remember Evie's brother's name right?) having children too someday), and is merely using it as one of several excuses to remain an overprotective father. However long it might last. And I suspect "not that long" to be the answer, if the events of this chapter are any indication.

For my part, I found this to be a great chapter.

Garth is just a cousin, and likely has an inheritance of his own from his side of the family. But I do agree that he’s mostly just being overprotective. His first issue with the relationship was standard nobility concerns, and his second issue stemmed entirely from not wanting his daughter exposed to scorn. There might also be some unspoken concerns regarding Evie, and the curse, being so close to Yvonne. It didn’t seem like his words came from a place of malice, and it seemed like he was starting to come to terms with the idea by the end of the chapter. He’ll get past it soon enough, methinks.

As for adoption, that can be a bit tricky. As Narrow Escape elegantly put, lineal, biological descent tends to be a major concern for members of the nobility, as that is the main justification for holding onto their power. An adopted child, even one of another noble house, breaks that line. Not only would this be seen as inappropriate by other nobles, it’d also damage the legitimacy of both the adopted child, should they inherit, and their parents. For a family who is currently in exile, barely holding onto their claim to nobility as is, and likely beset by enemies who desire to see it wiped out entirely, adoption probably wouldn’t be a viable idea.

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Gabinomicon

joined Apr 10, 2023

Aureole

joined Mar 9, 2024

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch03#3

Why are the two other options [REDACTED]? Is it that horrifying?!

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch04#13

Is that seafood rainbow trout, which is treated as a cheaper replacement for salmon?

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch07#7

To quote a certain heroin, "it's treated as a reward in our industry"?

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch15#7

lmao I almost thought Evie's going to drank it

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch18#7

Background text: My wife

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch20#4

Well duh of course they're queer, isn't that obvious :P

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Eggsnrice

joined Mar 24, 2021

rainbow8

joined Jan 14, 2020

Why are the two other options [REDACTED]? Is it that horrifying?!

Probably just irrelevant for the memory.

Kundara

joined Feb 17, 2018

This seems backwards, if he were still a duke he'd have land to worry about keeping in the family and would need to worry about his family's social standing, but they've already lost all that.

like sure still a valid concern if you have plans to claw your way back to power and he's rationalizing to disapprove of the relationship but this feels like we're supposed to take the logic at face value

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Aureole

joined Mar 9, 2024

Dang it takes 51 chapters for her to realize her feelings. Is she light novel protagonist or what? (she is)

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch53#5

That's some sharp retort lol

OMG we have ecchi in chap 57.5 we're blessed

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_serious_business_ch69_fake#7

Jiejie = 姐姐 = big sis

https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/please_bully_me_miss_villainess_ch95#3

Dere period YAAAASSSSSSS

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Lilliwyt

joined Jun 25, 2019

This seems backwards, if he were still a duke he'd have land to worry about keeping in the family and would need to worry about his family's social standing, but they've already lost all that.

like sure still a valid concern if you have plans to claw your way back to power and he's rationalizing to disapprove of the relationship but this feels like we're supposed to take the logic at face value

The point is that if he had money and status, he could protect them by virtue of he said status, since he don't, he can't. It's still linked to him being overprotective of his daugther. He wouldn't mind too much otherwise.

Gabinomicon

joined Apr 10, 2023

This seems backwards, if he were still a duke he'd have land to worry about keeping in the family and would need to worry about his family's social standing, but they've already lost all that.

like sure still a valid concern if you have plans to claw your way back to power and he's rationalizing to disapprove of the relationship but this feels like we're supposed to take the logic at face value

The point is that if he had money and status, he could protect them by virtue of he said status, since he don't, he can't. It's still linked to him being overprotective of his daugther. He wouldn't mind too much otherwise.

He absolutely would mind otherwise lol. People who talk like this are pretty much always trying to find rational excuses for their own bigoted awkwardness, most typically by pointing at one the exact things he mentions, "other people will hate you and I'm just trying to protect you from their hate by ruining your life"

DschingisKhan

joined Feb 18, 2013